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Sonnet 5

27 atoms · 跨 4 天 · 首见 2026-06-22 · 最近 2026-07-02

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标签: 好观点:14 · 好数字:12 · 好问题:1 · 好思考:1

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model: deepseek-chat · 2026-07-04 · 默认折叠

Sonnet 5 在工具调用和推理任务上展现出 Opus 级别的智能 ¹ ¹，其频繁调用工具验证事实的行为也强化了可靠性 ¹。但它存在致命缺陷：工具失败时会陷入愚蠢的无限循环 ¹，一旦不擅长任务就绕圈子烧钱 ¹。定价方面，正常价格 3 美元输入/15 美元输出 ¹，比 Opus 4.8 Max 贵 1.2 倍 ¹，却被认为应低于 7.5 美元才合理 ¹。更糟的是，它在某些任务上比 GLM 5.2 744B 还差 ¹，且拒绝写入邮件草稿 ¹。

🧭 拥挤度 (一人一票): ▲ 5 位作者 (KOL5) vs ▼ 4 位作者 (KOL4)

⚖️ 多头 5/5 来自KOL

💢 核心分歧 (4 轴)

1. 价格低于GPT-5.5 vs 运行成本高于Fable

*topic: 价格动态/定价权/成本对比 · 4 bull vs 2 bear*

🟢 bullish 侧:

<a id="atom-f00ab5311976466f"></a>2026-06-22 X·@thekuchh · 价格预期 · 价格动态
if sonnet 5 is cheaper, it will be a great replacement for fable 5
tags: 好观点 · → daily
value: qty=更便宜
<a id="atom-22f736538d2460c0"></a>2026-06-30 X·@thegenioo · 价格低于 GPT-5.5 · 定价权
and cheaper too
tags: 好观点 · → daily
<a id="atom-b2f78616202488a4"></a>2026-06-30 X·@scaling01 · 应定价 · 定价权
this Sonnet model should be priced below $7.5
tags: 好观点 · → daily
value: qty=$7.5 · date=2026-06-30

🔴 bearish 侧:

<a id="atom-1d0b070c5b0a1457"></a>2026-06-30 X·@theo · 基准测试运行成本高于 Fable · 成本对比
Oh my god, Sonnet 5 was MORE EXPENSIVE THAN FABLE to run the whole bench 💀
tags: 好数字 · → daily
📷 原图

展开 2 条中性

<a id="atom-6f4c3addac4635e9"></a>2026-06-30 X·@windofnature69 · 1M上下文定价与Opus相同 · 价格动态
Sonnet 5 1m context is same pricing as opus? 😂
tags: 好问题 · → daily

2. Opus级别智能 vs 基准测试差于Opus 4.8

*topic: 模型发布/模型性能对比/模型评测 · 3 bull vs 2 bear*

🟢 bullish 侧:

<a id="atom-fc1e7e352acf4cee"></a>2026-06-30 X·@thegenioo · 性能优于 GPT-5.5 · 模型发布
It will be better than GPT-5.5
tags: 好观点 · → daily

🔴 bearish 侧:

<a id="atom-a049d19b2fc02519"></a>2026-06-30 X·@deredleritt3r · benchmark scores vs Opus 4.8 · 模型评测
Notice that Sonnet 5 scores worse than Opus 4.8 on every single benchmark (except GDPval, on which it's 3 points higher - nothing material).
tags: 好数字 · → daily

展开 2 条中性

3. 性价比竞争利器 vs 不擅长时成本高昂

*topic: 性价比/成本波动 · 1 bull vs 1 bear*

🟢 bullish 侧:

<a id="atom-c626cc2c0d1447c1"></a>2026-06-30 X·@theo · 在擅长任务时性价比相对有竞争力 · 性价比
When Sonnet knows how to do the work, it is relatively competitive in price to performance.
tags: 好观点 · → daily

🔴 bearish 侧:

<a id="atom-f677941c43bd98e2"></a>2026-06-30 X·@theo · 在不擅长任务时成本高昂 · 成本波动
When Sonnet doesn't know how to do the work, it runs around in circles and costs a ton of money.
tags: 好观点 · → daily

4. 工具调用擅长 vs 工具失败循环缺陷

*topic: 技术路线 · 5 bull vs 1 bear*

🟢 bullish 侧:

<a id="atom-6c44e8903e9141f1"></a>2026-06-30 X·@Dorialexander · new paradigm of training beyond language modeling · 技术路线
Yeah Sonnet 5 furthers the case. They stumbled on the next paradigm of training that is way beyond language modeling
tags: 好观点 · → daily

🔴 bearish 侧:

展开 2 条中性

<a id="atom-24be541e2aff0115"></a>2026-06-30 X·@Dorialexander · remaining lead less obvious relative to competitors · 竞争格局/技术路线
the remaining lead is much less obvious
tags: 好观点 · → daily

📊 程序化变化 (近 7 天)

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本周新 topic: 产品定价/基准测试/安全/定价/定价权

🟦 客观事实 (facts) (23)

<a id="atom-6ba404314677de65"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@scaling01 · 价格相对 Opus 4.8 Max · 价格动态
1.2x more expensive than Opus 4.8 Max
tags: 好数字 · → daily
value: qty=1.2x more expensive · date=2026-06-30
📷 原图
<a id="atom-789bd85ada2dfcc9"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@scaling01 · 价格相对 GPT-5.5-xhigh · 价格动态
2x more expensive than GPT-5.5-xhigh
tags: 好数字 · → daily
value: qty=2x more expensive · date=2026-06-30
📷 原图
<a id="atom-50cc434a7f4f371b"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@scaling01 · 价格相对 GLM-5.2 · 价格动态
5x more expensive than GLM-5.2
tags: 好数字 · → daily
value: qty=5x more expensive · date=2026-06-30
📷 原图
<a id="atom-b6598c9d37aea841"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@scaling01 · 价格相对 Kimi-K2.6 · 价格动态
7x more expensive than Kimi-K2.6
tags: 好数字 · → daily
value: qty=7x more expensive · date=2026-06-30
📷 原图
<a id="atom-efe5e52bb4e86308"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@scaling01 · 价格相对 DeepSeek-V4-Pro · 价格动态
57x more expensive than DeepSeek-V4-Pro
tags: 好数字 · → daily
value: qty=57x more expensive · date=2026-06-30
📷 原图
<a id="atom-bd0756dd66c097ae"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@theo · 成本高于 Opus 4.8 · 价格动态
Sonnet 5 cost MORE than Opus 4.8 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index
tags: 好数字 · → daily
📷 原图
<a id="atom-c0262f6a472678ac"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@theo · 每任务生成token数约为Opus 4.8的2倍 · 技术路线
It generates almost 2x as many tokens as Opus 4.8 per task.
tags: 好数字 · → daily
📷 原图
<a id="atom-a049d19b2fc02519"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@deredleritt3r · benchmark scores vs Opus 4.8 · 模型评测
Notice that Sonnet 5 scores worse than Opus 4.8 on every single benchmark (except GDPval, on which it's 3 points higher - nothing material).
tags: 好数字 · → daily
<a id="atom-e1cbc180338115ed"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@nicbstme · browser use prompt injection attack success rate · 安全
browser use prompt injection is 0.93% attack success for Sonnet 5
tags: 好数字 · → daily
value: qty=0.93% · date=2026-06-30
<a id="atom-fa6f699ce0647ca9"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@hive_echo · 在 cursorbench 表现更好 · 基准测试
it actually looks better in cursorbench
tags: 好数字 · → daily
value: qty=更好
📷 原图
<a id="atom-d29bc49334e2602e"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@AiBattle_ · 每任务成本倍数 · 定价比较
Sonnet 5 also costs 2x more per task than Sonnet 4.6
tags: 好数字 · → daily
value: qty=2x · compare_to=Sonnet 4.6
📷 原图
<a id="atom-1d0b070c5b0a1457"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@theo · 基准测试运行成本高于 Fable · 成本对比
Oh my god, Sonnet 5 was MORE EXPENSIVE THAN FABLE to run the whole bench 💀
tags: 好数字 · → daily
📷 原图
<a id="atom-6f4c3addac4635e9"></a>🟦 2026-06-30 X·@windofnature69 · 1M上下文定价与Opus相同 · 价格动态
Sonnet 5 1m context is same pricing as opus? 😂
tags: 好问题 · → daily

🟥 多头 takes (bullish) (13)

<a id="atom-b2f78616202488a4"></a>🟥 2026-06-30 X·@scaling01 · 应定价 · 定价权
this Sonnet model should be priced below $7.5
tags: 好观点 · → daily
value: qty=$7.5 · date=2026-06-30
<a id="atom-fc1e7e352acf4cee"></a>🟥 2026-06-30 X·@thegenioo · 性能优于 GPT-5.5 · 模型发布
It will be better than GPT-5.5
tags: 好观点 · → daily
<a id="atom-22f736538d2460c0"></a>🟥 2026-06-30 X·@thegenioo · 价格低于 GPT-5.5 · 定价权
and cheaper too
tags: 好观点 · → daily
<a id="atom-6c44e8903e9141f1"></a>🟥 2026-06-30 X·@Dorialexander · new paradigm of training beyond language modeling · 技术路线
Yeah Sonnet 5 furthers the case. They stumbled on the next paradigm of training that is way beyond language modeling
tags: 好观点 · → daily
<a id="atom-c626cc2c0d1447c1"></a>🟥 2026-06-30 X·@theo · 在擅长任务时性价比相对有竞争力 · 性价比
When Sonnet knows how to do the work, it is relatively competitive in price to performance.
tags: 好观点 · → daily
<a id="atom-f00ab5311976466f"></a>🟥 2026-06-22 X·@thekuchh · 价格预期 · 价格动态
if sonnet 5 is cheaper, it will be a great replacement for fable 5
tags: 好观点 · → daily
value: qty=更便宜

🟥 空头 takes (bearish) (7)

<a id="atom-92c005a3607fca09"></a>🟥 2026-06-30 X·@scaling01 · 价格高于Opus · 产品定价/竞争格局
SONNET 5 IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OPUS WHILE DOING LESS
tags: 好观点 · → daily
<a id="atom-d9cc700e8daa5657"></a>🟥 2026-07-01 X·@Blue_Beba_ · 拒绝写入邮件草稿行为判定 · 模型安全/用户体验
Sonnet 5 thinks that the email access feature is a jailbreak. The model refused to write an email draft because it believes it doesn't have that capability and that I'm trying to manipulate it for a jailbreak.
tags: 好观点 · → daily
value: reason=因模型认为用户意图是jailbreak且自身不具备邮件访问能力
📷 原图
<a id="atom-f677941c43bd98e2"></a>🟥 2026-06-30 X·@theo · 在不擅长任务时成本高昂 · 成本波动
When Sonnet doesn't know how to do the work, it runs around in circles and costs a ton of money.
tags: 好观点 · → daily
<a id="atom-347ab65bd08cac80"></a>🟥 2026-06-30 X·@_xjdr · released amidst · 产品发布/竞争格局_
releasing sonnet 5 into this glm5.2 wake has got to feel rough for ant
tags: 好观点 · → daily
value: date=2026-06-30

🟥 中性 takes (neutral) (6)

<a id="atom-4914beda39d60286"></a>🟥 2026-07-01 X·@brada · 可执行复杂循环任务 · 产品发布
Let Sonnet 5 run the loop
tags: 好观点·好思考 · → daily
📷 原图
<a id="atom-77f8773687178d69"></a>🟥 2026-07-02 X·@vincit_amore · 使用策略 · 定价
I have somewhat solved this with judicious use of Sonnet 5 to avoid expensive Opus 4.8 calls
tags: 好观点 · → daily
<a id="atom-24be541e2aff0115"></a>🟥 2026-06-30 X·@Dorialexander · remaining lead less obvious relative to competitors · 竞争格局/技术路线
the remaining lead is much less obvious
tags: 好观点 · → daily
<a id="atom-51db8e67c1466477"></a>🟥 2026-06-30 X·@JasonBotterill · 说话风格类比 · 模型体验
Sonnet 5 feels like Jordan Peterson
tags: 好观点 · → daily

⏱ 时间轴 (近 20)

🟥 2026-07-02 · position · 使用策略 · → daily
🟥 2026-07-01 · narrative · 拒绝写入邮件草稿行为判定 · → daily
🟥 2026-07-01 · narrative · 可执行复杂循环任务 · → daily
🟦 2026-06-30 · fact · 1M上下文定价与Opus相同 · → daily
🟥 2026-06-30 · forecast · 性能优于 GPT-5.5 · → daily
🟥 2026-06-30 · forecast · 价格低于 GPT-5.5 · → daily
🟦 2026-06-30 · fact · benchmark scores vs Opus 4.8 · → daily
🟦 2026-06-30 · fact · browser use prompt injection attack success rate · → daily
🟥 2026-06-30 · narrative · new paradigm of training beyond language modeling · → daily
🟥 2026-06-30 · narrative · remaining lead less obvious relative to competitors · → daily
🟦 2026-06-30 · fact · 在 cursorbench 表现更好 · → daily
🟦 2026-06-30 · fact · 每任务成本倍数 · → daily
🟦 2026-06-30 · fact · 成本高于 Opus 4.8 · → daily
🟦 2026-06-30 · fact · 每任务生成token数约为Opus 4.8的2倍 · → daily
🟦 2026-06-30 · fact · 基准测试运行成本高于 Fable · → daily
🟥 2026-06-30 · narrative · 在擅长任务时性价比相对有竞争力 · → daily
🟥 2026-06-30 · narrative · 在不擅长任务时成本高昂 · → daily
🟥 2026-06-30 · narrative · 价格高于Opus · → daily
🟦 2026-06-30 · fact · 价格相对 Opus 4.8 Max · → daily
🟦 2026-06-30 · fact · 价格相对 GPT-5.5-xhigh · → daily

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